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greykitty's avatar
World Class Animation Critic
Posts: 9
Reviews: 193

Wow this new layout is snazzy.  :D  I like it a lot!  I need to get to writing more reviews sometime too...I've lost my 5th spot on the top 5.  D:  *is a slacker*

athena's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 388
Reviews: 218

Loop darling... if you want a shiny new forum right this second... YOU code it. I've already written my quota of several thousand lines of code for this month.

lupercal's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 304
Reviews: 517

I didn't want a shiny new forum. My comments (I thought) were more along the lines of 'I liked it the way it was'.

 

Loop

athena's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 388
Reviews: 218

Keeping things as they were wasn't an option from my point of view... which I grant you is a very different perspective than that of a user.

Administration of Keyframe has been an ongoing nightmare for me for the past few years to the point that I had given very serious thought to just throwing in the towel on a number of occasions. I couldn't code new features like our new more review-focused user profiles because anything related to users was locked up so tightly in the black-box of vBulletin's user system. Myself and the other editors were spending way too much time booting spammers and dealing with spam-related problems. I couldn't lock down basic features such as what a user could and couldn't do which was an ongoing headache that included non-validated users being able to use the private mail system for spam and much, much worse. Then there was just the ongoing fear that we'd get hacked--again--only this time it would be something worse than the hacker changing all the forum text into arabic like they did they last time. I was constantly getting notices about security patches that vBulletin needed, but I couldn't install fast enough because it took an entire weekend to take the site down, apply the patch and stitch everything back up again.

So yes, I kept vBulletin for years because, as a forum, it was one of the best out there... even though from an admin point of view I was tearing my hair out in frustration. And, you know, even though these spammers and hackers are nameless, faceless entities I find what they do unbelievably hurtful... it's like they take something that you have poured your blood, sweat and tears into for years and just piss on it. Everytime we got hit by a wave of these kinds of problems I died a little inside.

I'm sorry we had to lose the vB forum... I am... and if I sound snipe-y it's because I am more than aware that the forum is the one area where we took twenty steps backwards from where we were. But I stand by the decision of stripping down the forum--which never got a huge amount of day-to-day use anyways--in favour of keeping Keyframe alive. Because frankly, I was done... I couldn't take it anymore...

Toonboy's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 563
Reviews: 319

Wow.  Starlac has either designated himself as Keyframe's peruser of bad animation or he's just unlucky or he's really liberal with the 4 and 3.5 star reviews.  Or possibly all three at the same time.

 

So who has the highest percentage of 1 star ratings?

athena's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 388
Reviews: 218

1 star reviews

Let's see... taking just from the top 10 reviewers, the percentage breakdown for number of 1 star reviews...

Starlac - 16 percent
P.C. Unfunny - 12 percent
Toonboy - 8 percent
Lupercal, Athena - 6 percent
greykitty - 5 percent
Inkwolf, Juuchan17 - 2 percent
J-Kitty - 1 percent
servewithchips - 0 percent

 

(edit: hmm, I wonder why the percentage sign is disappearing...)

 

starlac's avatar
KF Managing Editor
Posts: 206
Reviews: 226

Theatrical Shorts vs. Short Films...

I thought we created the theatrical section as a separate section to house the hundred and hundreds of shorts that the hollywood studios were - if you excuse the term - chugging out at a relatively consistent rate as something to show alongside their films when the cinematic show structure consisted of film, newsreel and a short featurette. Contrary to popular belief, many of the studios - with the exception of Disney and maybe MGM - didn't really care two-bits about their animation departments as long as they made money.

Ultimately, the creation of the new category was a case of avoiding flooding the shorts section with the mountain of theatrical shorts of old. As of the moment it’s true that it wouldn’t be in danger of doing such a thing; that would be my fault I suppose, as I’m suppose to be the one adding them.

Whereas short films thereafter was more based around one-of films released in festivals or theatrically, rather than the every three-to-nine weeks a shot of the “classic” shorts of the studios. If I remember the writing beneath the Short Section of the old forum, it said something like “From the independent shorts of individuals to the extracurricular projects of major studios.”

If the short WAS only made for TV, period, then perhaps it should be moved to the Animated Special section; if there are one or two left in a different category then at some point they’ll be moved on. If the short wasn’t necessarily made for one format or another, then something like an educated guess may be in order.

For the record anything made specifically for TV and announced as such by it creators/distributor – even if it receives a theatrical run later – cannot be nominated for an Oscar according to the Academy’s own rules. This rule was put in place after Richard Williams’s version of A Christmas Carol, a TV Special, won the award after its distributors thought that they’d get away with it.

 

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Wow.  Starlac has either designated himself as Keyframe's peruser of bad animation or he's just unlucky or he's really liberal with the 4 and 3.5 star reviews.  Or possibly all three at the same time.

Methinks I'm all three, or 1 and 3; hey, just call me Jay Sherman. Laughing

BTW To get bold click "B" once when you want to start writing in bold, then click it again to return to normal text, same with italics, underline, etc.

Magnus's avatar
Reviewing Ninja
Posts: 16
Reviews: 73

oooooo...

I.... LOVE the new look of this. Keyframe definitely has a Web 2.0 feel to it now. Simplified, streamlined, and shiny. And I am SO overdue for writing at least twenty or so reviews. This will be fun.

Ooo. Automatic extra space between paragraph divisions. And a WYSIWYG text field for formatted text. And all the layouts are still distinctly "Keyframe!" Although my favorite part so far might be the speech bubbles which quickly summarize multiple reviews for a given animation profile, somewhat like Rotten Tomatoes. Or maybe the fancy recent-reviews listings on our user profiles. I can't decide! It's ALL my favorite!!

Did I mention I like the new site?

In other news, have you guys heard of www.lineboil.com? It's a site I stumbled across recently that apparently puts up video links to recent animated shorts and trailers. It's not really a database like Keyframe, more of a blog, I'd say.

lupercal's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 304
Reviews: 517

Forum

I hadn't realised mainting the old fora was such a pain, and if it really did come down to losing the forums or losing the site, then I can't complain. I can say I'm sorry we had to lose it, though, because this single thread alternative is barely a replacement, to me.   BTW when I said 'I preferred it the way it was', I was referring purely to the forum, not the site in general.

 

Loop

athena's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 388
Reviews: 218

Re: Forum

This single thread alternative is only meant to be temporary fix. In fact, as far as the database is concerned, this is already a multi-thread system of which we are currently only able to view a single thread. I just need to write all the front end code now to process and display multiple threads.

Unfortunately what we consider to be standard forum features are a good deal more complicated than the stuff like profiles and Top 5 lists that I'm used to coding. It'll take time, but hopefully no more than a few months.

I just wasn't willing to hold back on the launch of the rest of the site strictly for the forum.


As far as you are concerned though, the key elements that are missing at this point would be the ability to create multiple threads and the ability to quote the previous user...?

lupercal's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 304
Reviews: 517

Answer

Yes, I think that nails it.

 

Bearing in mind I've not really come to grips with the rest of the upgrade, but that's just me being slow.

 

Loop

greykitty's avatar
World Class Animation Critic
Posts: 9
Reviews: 193

It would be nice if it were possible to flip the way the posts were displayed with newest first.  It would be easier to keep up with things, I think.

Then it would be kind of like a giant shout box thread...kinda...

lupercal's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 304
Reviews: 517

Flipping

Yeah, I've thought that, too. Mind you, sometimes I seem to get shunted to the latest page, sometimes to the first, sometimes to the top, sometimes to the bottom. Or I just be becoming so technically challenged that I can't tell the difference.

 

Loop

Toonboy's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 563
Reviews: 319

Oops.  Typo.  I meant the opposite of liberal.  Spent too much time on other forums talking about how I don't trust the Democrats.  XD

On another note.  Is there going to be a limit to the size of a thread?  Like a point where old posts drop off the top?  It would be kinda unwieldy if this thing kept on growing.

athena's avatar
KF Animation Editor
Posts: 388
Reviews: 218

Re: Flipping

Hmm, we are getting much more forum traffic than I was actually anticipating based on our forum activity for the last six months or so... which is good, but yea obviously problematic as it will get unwieldly eventually...

I can flip the ordering around so that the newest posts are always the first... certainly it would make the coding a helluva lot easier because trying to calculate a post's location on a later page is a real headache. However, if you're trying to follow a conversation, it would essentially mean reading the thread backwards.

Your guys' call... which makes more sense to you for this mini-forum?


Oh, and Toonboy, there are no limits on the size of the thread... it'll keep letting you add posts until the cows come home.

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