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athena's avatar
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Hehe, "finished" is such a tricky word when it comes to websites since no website is ever truly finished... so the answer is kinda yes and no... 

In web biz parlance Keyframe has now been through a "re-development" where I basically turfed the old vBulletin hybrid site and rebuilt everything from scratch. My intent for this past launch date was to try and get us to the point where we had everything the old site had but cleaner, simpler, easier to manage and much more secure. I started doing the research and development on the building blocks for the new site last August, but did the bulk of the coding in a mad dash blitz over the last three months.

And now, that I have this new platform and I'm no longer fighting with vBulletin, we can move into "enhancement" mode... where I can start going down my list of new things I want to add... so yes, there will be further upgrades and refinements--beefing up this forum's functionality for one--but the big upgrade is now complete.

 

Oh, and thanks KloKei07 and Juuchan17 for the nice comments... this redev was a helluva lot of work, but hearing that the site is what I'd hoped it would be--cleaner, simpler and easier to use--helps me recharge my batteries for the stuff to come. Smile

Toonboy's avatar
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The inclusion of the animated specials section gives me an opportunity to create a profile for something that's been in the back of my mind for quite a while, the rather strange anthro version of Charles Dickens' David Copperfield, starring Sheena Easton of all people.

athena's avatar
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Beatles: Rock Band ad

Animated trailer for The Beatles: Rockband

Admittedly not something Keyframe profiles--although I'm sure after I post this that someone is going to argue that we should--I encourage you to take a look anyways.

It starts out with some pretty simple, but very stylish looking 2D and basically just goes... elsewhere...

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Well finally.  A music game with class.  Although the previous Rock Bands and Guitar Heroes have had their fair share of classic songs as well.

lupercal's avatar
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Animated Special.

I just noticed that the old category 'Holiday Specials' has been replaced by 'Animated Specials'. In a way this is good, because I always thought the Christmas special section was rather silly - but now we have a category filled with 'christmas specials' as well as rare things like 'Gumnutz', which, so far as I can remember, isn't Christmasy at all. If anything I'd call it a one-off animated TV movie. But there's no such category. I don't think it was released on DVD, so it can't be DTV. I don't know know why I'm saying this, because I don't have a suggestion. Just noting it.

 

NB: Australian Television Information Archive lists it as a Telemovie - but I note it had very limited theatrical release in the UK.

 

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Animated Specials and TV Movies.

Part of my argument about changing Holiday Specials to Animated Special – Well I just said Specials, but that’s neither here or there – was about the early animated specials that had nothing to do with holidays whatsoever, specials that weren’t at all “Christmasy” like A Doonesbury Special and the more cringe-worthy things like Cartoon All-Stars and that sort of thing, stuff I was stuck without a outlet for here because there was nowhere really to put them insofar as I could justify.

Part of my argument for putting made-for-TV animated films in there as well is simple; what is the real difference between a TV movie and a TV special, apart from wording? they’re both comparable in terms of their budgets and sometimes their length; they’re both intended to premiere via television broadcast, some use both the terms interchangeably to describe them.

Athena stated that having the category as “specials and TV movies” was too long a name, so it was reduced to just “Animated Specials”. In effect the new wording is closer to "Animated Holiday and other Specials".

Gumnutz got shown in the UK’s annual London Australia Film Festival but I don't know about theatres elsewhere. The festival showcases films, short films, specials, etc, from Australia in a cinematic envionment. It showed Gumnutz in the section for kids.

For this sort of thing though, I would always go with the creators original intent, and the intent for Gumnutz was the telly, rather than cinema (or festivals).

EDIT:As a side note, should we leave the DTV/short films/etc relating to holidays be, or relegate them to just their primary section?

EDIT: Oh boy, I'm being a pain again.Sealed

athena's avatar
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I think the problem in categorization we're running into is whether or not we really want to start tossing "genre" categories into the database. Christmas animation is really a genre as opposed to a DTV, short film, etc. which is more like a release type.

Personally, (and I say this from a web admin/marketing standpoint), I liked having an easily taggable Christmas section because it is a high-traffic topic for us during the holiday season... or at least it was for many years, last year we didn't see much of an increase... HOWEVER if we are going to be slotting things in by how they were released, then yes... all the stuff that had its primary release as a DTV or short film should be pulled from the Animated Specials category.

 

(hehe, don't worry about being a pain, starlac... keeps us on our toes. Wink )

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random

"I've been to paradise, but I've never been to Miyazaki" -- I saw this on my Twitter feed this morning and it made me laugh. It was posted by John Kovalic who draws the tech/geek/gaming web comic, Dork Tower

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since you were around in the seventies

You let on in your review that you existed in the seventies, so did I (and the 60's)

Looking for short animated film about individual who is chosen by a town to become the next cannibal that eats residents and grows each time he eats a person.  Eventually he is about 75' tall and wanders out into the desert to die.  Then the town's meat trucks drive out to the desert and process him.  This provides food for the town until the next unlucky resident is chosen.

It was in an afternoon film festival on PBS in the seventies.

HB

 

   

athena's avatar
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woot!

Apparently Mucha Lucha was our 1300th profile! This is pretty darn impressive since when I was archiving the old forum I noticed a post from its initial launch around 2003 or so annoucing that we had 200 profiles.

That's a long way to come in a fairly short number of years. Kudos to the editors--past and present--for all their hard work.

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Gumnutz/holiday specials, etc

I'm afraid I don't have the hang of this new forum system yet. I assume you don't have multiple threads any more; just one continuous one. If that's the case, I really don't like the new system. I assume you can't quote anyone anymore, unless you cut and paste, like I've done below. Plus how would you check a thread like 'I can't believe you don't have'. Apologies if for some reason I'm missing the obvious, or my browser displays thwe site differently or something.

 

Starlac wrote:

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EDIT:As a side note, should we leave the DTV/short films/etc relating to holidays be, or relegate them to just their primary section?

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(pressing 'B' with the pointer doesn't do anything, so if these show up as [b][/b], sorry)

 

Well anyway, the problem is you can't have things both ways. You've either got to go by medium or by type of film (which often would just come down to duration). You can either argue that Lion King and Lion King II are both feature length animated films, and therefore it doesn't matter what sort of release they originally had - or you could argue that Lion King was a theatrical release, and Lion King II was a DTV, and therefore it doesn't matter how long they are.

 

Trouble is, we already are trying to run both systems, with catagories like 'short films' and 'theatrical shorts', which try to use BOTH criteria at once (e.g. 'Duck Amuck' is 'short' AND it was theatrical.  Where does that leave something like Harvie Krumpet', which goes for about 35 minutes. That's a short film, but it's much longer than a theatrical short - but it was shown theatrically (I assume. I mean, it won an Oscar.) If a short film was the same length but was only made for TV, why is that in the same category?

 

I understand Athena's reason for wanting 'holiday specials' as a category, but that introduces a THIRD criteria - subject matter.

 

Aaagh, now my brain hurts, too.

 

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lupercal's avatar
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Do I need to fill this in?

Athena wrote:

 

"Would it make sense to just limit Feature Films to full-length features that had their premiere in the theatres?"

 

That would make 'All Dogs go to Heaven II' a Feature film.

 

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lupercal's avatar
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You let on in your review that you existed in the seventies, so did I (and the 60's)

 

 

Were you talking to me?  Anyway, sorry; it rings a bell, but I can't put my finger on it (to mix metaphors) (actually I wonder what you'd mix metaphors with? No, I'm not awake enough to think of anything clever yet...)

 

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regarding the current forum

Yes, I know the forum is at the moment in one continuous thread. My only response is that vBulletin and other forums out there were written by a team of developers. Keyframe is written by a single developer--aka me... so while I do intend to have a fully threaded forum like we had before eventually, there was no way that I could code that straight out of the gate. It basically took me three months of giving up all of my free time to just get us this far.

As far as I was concerned, vBulletin was just a time-bomb in terms of the next time we'd get hacked or mass-spammed or whatever... so my priority was simply to shed vBulletin as quickly as possible. Thus I stuck with coding a more secure user registration system to keep the spammers out and as well as all the rest of the user-related administration on the site that vBulletin previously handled.

I also don't understand why the 'B' isn't doing anything. It's coming through fine for me and that part of the forum is a third-party addon--and a fairly widely used one at that. Which browser are you using?

lupercal's avatar
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New Forum

Well,  sorry, but IMHO the new 'forum' sucks. If you intend to eventually reinstate the previous style, that's great (I appreciate the irony, as I think I was against a forum at all, way back when, but your first version grew on me, though there were things I'd change about it)

I'm using the newest Firefox as of 2 weeks ago.

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